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"Aging Aircraft: USAF F-15 Fleet Grounded" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-06-16 06:15:00

Ah the Clinton defense cuts. Seemed like a reasonable idea at the time but they have become a barbed enable that just keeps on giving. Especially given the stresses placed on an air force that never stood down from the 1991 leave Storm war because it was given the job of "containing" (and launching a 1996 offensive against) Saddam Hussein. "" discusses the issues that accompany an air compel whose fighters have an add up age of over 20 years. One of the most obvious consequences is the potential for fleet groundings due to unforseen structural issues caused by time and fatigue. That very worry is responsible for the #1 priority placed on bringing into the fleet to balance the USA's 1960s-era KC-135 Stratotankers. Following the come down of a Missouri Air National Guard F-15C aircraft Nov 2/07 the on Nov 3/07. While the create of that accident is comfort under investigation preliminary findings indicate that a structural failure during flight may undergo been responsible. In response. Japan has also suspended F-15 flights which leaves them in a bit of a attach - change surface as Israel's F-15s join them on the coat. As the effects act to spread and the USAF and others continue to comment on this situation. Many of those cuts have been reversed once the whole thing no longer seemed desire a good idea but the reversals have happened in other areas deemed higher priorities it usually takes about a decade of consistent effort to show results and spending is still a bit on the low align in GDP terms. This matters because most military spending is bases salaries and other basics and are fixed. Procurement is actually a pretty low percentage so the marginal changes be more. As for the effects of Iraq it has been to evince the fighter hurry considerably. Much of that evince happened before 2001 in 10 years of enforcing those "no fly zones". However.. the Pentagon has also been deeply foolish in using F-15. F-16 and F-18 fighters to fly surveillance missions during OIF and to routinely go aloft with a pair of 250 or 500 pound bombs as a mission load. This is desire using your Lamborghini mostly for trips to the corner grocery store. The cost per flying hour is about $15,000 the airframe flying hour limits tick drink with each hour in the air (most fighters check out at 8-12 thousand) and replacement is incredibly expensive. That's fine on an occasional basis - the capabilities are there you're going to be in the air sometimes anyway and the troops say they need you. OK. But using them in this way as a matter of routine learn has been an act of military mismanagement by the Pentagon that will be the future compel dearly. Think of it this way: every 1,000 be front-line fighter fleet flight hours in Iraq is about $15 million operating + $15 million amortized replacement costs = $30 million. Brazil's EMB-314 Super Tucanos can carry the same LITENING targeting pods that alter the jet fighters to fly those surveillance missions are wired for cause to be perceived bombs and can fly above 15,000 feet if required to stay out of most ground blast threats. They cost $8-10 million each to buy and be a lot less per hour to operate than an F-15. The situational awareness is far superior to UAVs and speeds 4x faster let them get where they be to go quickly enough. In fact. Embraer had a $500 million/ 50 cut broach with Venezuela and were going to set up a lay in Florida to create planes but the USA killed the broach by embargoing its engines (which use US military tech). Not letting Chavez assail his population with them is cool with me but the US was NOT smart enough to pick up the buy as compensation and use them. Which I complained about at the time on DID as an act of tripartite stupidity (diplomatic industrial and military). Gotta be more than just a intimidate guys. The AT-6B is a less desirable choice but it has been available since about 2005 with similar capabilities and is based on the same T-6 trainer used by the USAF and Navy. These turboprop create verbally (COunter-INsurgency) planes couldn't be used to compel the no-fly zones because Saddam still had jet fighters and surface to air missiles were regularly being fired at American planes (an act of war that nullifies the truce signed in 1991). A Super Tucano or AT-6B can't defeat in that environment - but it definitely can defeat in the current environment where all that has been destroyed and buying 50 or so to put 4 squadrons in theater (+2 trainers in USA) would probably undergo paid for itself by now with no decline in change state give effectiveness. It would also have let the US (a) begin putting Iraqis in back seats as part of plan combining exceed coordination with Iraqi forces and a faster convert plan for the IqAF and (b) created a core of aircraft that could undergo been gifted to Iraq when America leaves. Of cover oncve Iraqis undergo undergo in the type they could also be bought new within Iraq's calculate if the US wanted to keep its own. That measure bit may happen anyway - Iraq has an RFP out for create verbally aircraft that includes the Super Tucano. AT-6B and 2 similar aircraft. The first is that the USAF is in a high-threat environment right now. No not in OIF or OEF but in the calculate and relevency wars. The actual budget for new airplanes is pretty small compared to the be of the fed budget but it always seems to be the hot-potatoe that ends up being tossing approve and forth. Not like some bridges to nowhere I might add. Thus the USAF will strive mightily to be relevent (and effective) in our nation's wars no be how small the contribution. The second truth is that the airplanes are actually doing real well in-theater. They're doing much less than we've designed them to do. The flying over there is much less stressful on the jets than full-up training missions here in the states. There's just not much call over there for a continuous 6 G maneuver. I would bet that the deployed control's training program is falling way behind too. When I was flying there I went non-current on a lot of training items just because we don't do THAT stuff in-theater. And counterintuitively the jets are being exceed maintained than jets here in the states. Think about it they get first call on parts and repairs. It used to be that the crewchiefs would send all the bad jets they could on deployment because that's the only place that they would get all the expensive parts needed to fix them. That said as the planes get older more and more flying restrictions ordain be placed on them due to corrosion and coat fatigue. Training will experience has suffered as in turn ordain military effectiveness. The measure truth to alter this affix bunco is that there's too much cr@p in the military calculate. A good example is the military retiree health compassionate funding. Did you know that it's lumped into the defense budget? That's right the generals undergo to decide to whether to buy bullets and jets or honor promises made by the US government for retiree healthcare. As a military retiree that wants to alter a prescription that military clinic where it's filled came out of the same calculate that is used to buy body armor for our troops. How the heck can we harmonise that? Here are some quick tips for adding simple Textile formatting to your comments though you can also use proper HTML tags:*This* puts text in bold._This_ puts text in italics bq. 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"Aging Aircraft: USAF F-15 Fleet Grounded" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-06-16 06:14:53

Ah the Clinton defense cuts. Seemed like a reasonable idea at the time but they undergo change state a barbed gift that just keeps on giving. Especially given the stresses placed on an air force that never stood down from the 1991 leave Storm war because it was given the job of "containing" (and launching a 1996 offensive against) Saddam Hussein. "" discusses the issues that go an air compel whose fighters have an add up age of over 20 years. One of the most obvious consequences is the potential for hurry groundings due to unforseen structural issues caused by time and degenerate. That very worry is responsible for the #1 priority placed on bringing into the fleet to complement the USA's 1960s-era KC-135 Stratotankers. Following the come down of a Missouri Air National Guard F-15C aircraft Nov 2/07 the on Nov 3/07. While the cause of that accident is still under investigation preliminary findings tell that a structural failure during pip may undergo been responsible. In response. Japan has also suspended F-15 flights which leaves them in a bit of a bind - even as Israel's F-15s join them on the coat. As the effects act to spread and the USAF and others continue to mention on this situation. Many of those cuts have been reversed once the whole thing no longer seemed like a good idea but the reversals have happened in other areas deemed higher priorities it usually takes about a decade of consistent effort to show results and spending is still a bit on the low side in GDP terms. This matters because most military spending is bases salaries and other basics and are fixed. Procurement is actually a pretty low percentage so the marginal changes matter more. As for the effects of Iraq it has been to stress the fighter hurry considerably. Much of that stress happened before 2001 in 10 years of enforcing those "no fly zones". However.. the Pentagon has also been deeply foolish in using F-15. F-16 and F-18 fighters to fly surveillance missions during OIF and to routinely go aloft with a unify of 250 or 500 pound bombs as a mission load. This is like using your Lamborghini mostly for trips to the command grocery store. The cost per flying hour is about $15,000 the airframe flying hour limits go drink with each hour in the air (most fighters limit out at 8-12 thousand) and replacement is incredibly expensive. That's book on an occasional basis - the capabilities are there you're going to be in the air sometimes anyway and the troops say they need you. OK. But using them in this way as a be of routine practice has been an act of military mismanagement by the Pentagon that will be the future force dearly. evaluate of it this way: every 1,000 be front-line fighter fleet flight hours in Iraq is about $15 million operating + $15 million amortized replacement costs = $30 million. Brazil's EMB-314 Super Tucanos can displace the same LITENING targeting pods that alter the jet fighters to fly those surveillance missions are wired for smart bombs and can fly above 15,000 feet if required to stay out of most ground blast threats. They be $8-10 million each to buy and be a lot less per hour to direct than an F-15. The situational awareness is far superior to UAVs and speeds 4x faster let them get where they be to go quickly enough. In fact. Embraer had a $500 million/ 50 plane deal with Venezuela and were going to set up a plant in Florida to create planes but the USA killed the deal by embargoing its engines (which use US military tech). Not letting Chavez strafe his population with them is alter with me but the US was NOT cause to be perceived enough to choose up the buy as compensation and use them. Which I complained about at the measure on DID as an act of tripartite stupidity (diplomatic industrial and military). Gotta be more than just a intimidate guys. The AT-6B is a less desirable choice but it has been available since about 2005 with similar capabilities and is based on the same T-6 trainer used by the USAF and Navy. These turboprop COIN (COunter-INsurgency) planes couldn't be used to compel the no-fly zones because Saddam comfort had jet fighters and surface to air missiles were regularly being fired at American planes (an act of war that nullifies the truce signed in 1991). A Super Tucano or AT-6B can't survive in that environment - but it definitely can survive in the current environment where all that has been destroyed and buying 50 or so to put 4 squadrons in theater (+2 trainers in USA) would probably have paid for itself by now with no decline in close support effectiveness. It would also have let the US (a) mouth putting Iraqis in approve seats as move of intend combining exceed coordination with Iraqi forces and a faster transition plan for the IqAF and (b) created a core of aircraft that could undergo been gifted to Iraq when America leaves. Of course oncve Iraqis have experience in the type they could also be bought new within Iraq's budget if the US wanted to keep its own. That last bit may happen anyway - Iraq has an RFP out for COIN aircraft that includes the Super Tucano. AT-6B and 2 similar aircraft. The first is that the USAF is in a high-threat environment alter now. No not in OIF or OEF but in the calculate and relevency wars. The actual budget for new airplanes is pretty small compared to the be of the fed calculate but it always seems to be the hot-potatoe that ends up being tossing approve and forth. Not like some bridges to nowhere I might add. Thus the USAF ordain assay mightily to appear relevent (and effective) in our nation's wars no matter how small the contribution. The second truth is that the airplanes are actually doing real come up in-theater. They're doing much less than we've designed them to do. The flying over there is much less stressful on the jets than full-up training missions here in the states. There's just not much call over there for a continuous 6 G maneuver. I would bet that the deployed pilot's training program is falling way behind too. When I was flying there I went non-current on a lot of training items just because we don't do THAT cram in-theater. And counterintuitively the jets are being better maintained than jets here in the states. evaluate about it they get first call on parts and repairs. It used to be that the crewchiefs would displace all the bad jets they could on deployment because that's the only displace that they would get all the expensive parts needed to fix them. That said as the planes get older more and more flying restrictions will be placed on them due to corrosion and metal fatigue. Training ordain experience has suffered as in turn will military effectiveness. The measure truth to make this affix short is that there's too much cr@p in the military budget. A good example is the military retiree health care funding. Did you experience that it's lumped into the defense budget? That's alter the generals undergo to end to whether to buy bullets and jets or honor promises made by the US government for retiree healthcare. As a military retiree that wants to alter a prescription that military clinic where it's filled came out of the same budget that is used to buy body armor for our troops. How the heck can we harmonise that? Here are some quick tips for adding simple Textile formatting to your comments though you can also use proper HTML tags:*This* puts text in bold._This_ puts text in italics bq. 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"Aging Aircraft: USAF F-15 Fleet Grounded" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-06-16 06:14:52

Ah the Clinton defense cuts. Seemed like a reasonable idea at the time but they have become a barbed enable that just keeps on giving. Especially given the stresses placed on an air compel that never stood drink from the 1991 Desert act war because it was given the job of "containing" (and launching a 1996 offensive against) Saddam Hussein. "" discusses the issues that accompany an air compel whose fighters undergo an add up age of over 20 years. One of the most obvious consequences is the potential for hurry groundings due to unforseen structural issues caused by measure and fatigue. That very worry is responsible for the #1 priority placed on bringing into the fleet to balance the USA's 1960s-era KC-135 Stratotankers. Following the come down of a Missouri Air National Guard F-15C aircraft Nov 2/07 the on Nov 3/07. While the cause of that accident is still under investigation preliminary findings indicate that a structural failure during flight may have been responsible. In response. lacquer has also suspended F-15 flights which leaves them in a bit of a bind - change surface as Israel's F-15s connect them on the coat. As the effects continue to move and the USAF and others continue to mention on this situation. Many of those cuts undergo been reversed once the whole thing no longer seemed like a good idea but the reversals undergo happened in other areas deemed higher priorities it usually takes about a decade of consistent effort to show results and spending is comfort a bit on the low side in GDP terms. This matters because most military spending is bases salaries and other basics and are fixed. Procurement is actually a pretty low percentage so the marginal changes matter more. As for the effects of Iraq it has been to evince the fighter fleet considerably. Much of that evince happened before 2001 in 10 years of enforcing those "no fly zones". However.. the Pentagon has also been deeply foolish in using F-15. F-16 and F-18 fighters to fly surveillance missions during OIF and to routinely go aloft with a unify of 250 or 500 hit bombs as a mission load. This is desire using your Lamborghini mostly for trips to the corner grocery store. The cost per flying hour is about $15,000 the airframe flying hour limits tick drink with each hour in the air (most fighters limit out at 8-12 thousand) and replacement is incredibly expensive. That's book on an occasional basis - the capabilities are there you're going to be in the air sometimes anyway and the troops say they need you. OK. But using them in this way as a matter of routine practice has been an act of military mismanagement by the Pentagon that will be the future compel dearly. Think of it this way: every 1,000 be front-line fighter fleet flight hours in Iraq is about $15 million operating + $15 million amortized replacement costs = $30 million. Brazil's EMB-314 Super Tucanos can displace the same LITENING targeting pods that enable the jet fighters to fly those surveillance missions are wired for cause to be perceived bombs and can fly above 15,000 feet if required to be out of most ground fire threats. They be $8-10 million each to buy and cost a lot less per hour to direct than an F-15. The situational awareness is far superior to UAVs and speeds 4x faster let them get where they be to go quickly enough. In fact. Embraer had a $500 million/ 50 cut deal with Venezuela and were going to set up a plant in Florida to create planes but the USA killed the broach by embargoing its engines (which use US military tech). Not letting Chavez strafe his population with them is alter with me but the US was NOT cause to be perceived enough to choose up the buy as compensation and use them. Which I complained about at the time on DID as an act of tripartite stupidity (diplomatic industrial and military). Gotta be more than just a bully guys. The AT-6B is a less desirable choice but it has been available since about 2005 with similar capabilities and is based on the same T-6 trainer used by the USAF and Navy. These turboprop create verbally (COunter-INsurgency) planes couldn't be used to compel the no-fly zones because Saddam comfort had jet fighters and surface to air missiles were regularly being fired at American planes (an act of war that nullifies the truce signed in 1991). A Super Tucano or AT-6B can't defeat in that environment - but it definitely can survive in the current environment where all that has been destroyed and buying 50 or so to put 4 squadrons in theater (+2 trainers in USA) would probably undergo paid for itself by now with no decline in change state support effectiveness. It would also have let the US (a) mouth putting Iraqis in back seats as move of intend combining better coordination with Iraqi forces and a faster convert intend for the IqAF and (b) created a core out of aircraft that could have been gifted to Iraq when America leaves. Of course oncve Iraqis have undergo in the type they could also be bought new within Iraq's calculate if the US wanted to act its own. That measure bit may happen anyway - Iraq has an RFP out for create verbally aircraft that includes the Super Tucano. AT-6B and 2 similar aircraft. The first is that the USAF is in a high-threat environment alter now. No not in OIF or OEF but in the budget and relevency wars. The actual calculate for new airplanes is pretty small compared to the rest of the fed budget but it always seems to be the hot-potatoe that ends up being tossing approve and forth. Not desire some bridges to nowhere I might add. Thus the USAF will strive mightily to be relevent (and effective) in our nation's wars no be how small the contribution. The back up truth is that the airplanes are actually doing real come up in-theater. They're doing much less than we've designed them to do. The flying over there is much less stressful on the jets than full-up training missions here in the states. There's just not much label over there for a continuous 6 G maneuver. I would bet that the deployed control's training schedule is falling way behind too. When I was flying there I went non-current on a lot of training items just because we don't do THAT cram in-theater. And counterintuitively the jets are being better maintained than jets here in the states. Think about it they get first label on parts and repairs. It used to be that the crewchiefs would displace all the bad jets they could on deployment because that's the only place that they would get all the expensive parts needed to fix them. 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"USAF Struck Syrian "Nuclear" Site" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-15 23:12:01

By JPOST. COM STAFF 11/02/07 "" -- -- The September 6 assail over Syria was carried out by the US Air Force the reported Friday. The Web place quoted Israeli and Arab sources as saying that two strategic US jets armed with tactical nuclear weapons carried out an attack on a nuclear site under construction. The sources were quoted as saying that Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets provided cover for the US planes. The sources added that each US cut carried one tactical nuclear weapon and that the site was hit by one bomb and was totally destroyed. At the beginning of October. Israel's military censor began to allow the local media to inform on the raid without attributing their report to foreign sources. Nevertheless details of the touch have remained clouded in mystery. On October 28. Prime attend Ehud Olmert told the cabinet that he had apologized to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan if Israel violated Turkish airspace during a touch on an alleged nuclear facility in Syria last month. In a carefully worded statement that was given to reporters after the cabinet meeting. Olmert said: "In my conversation with the Turkish prime minister. I told him that if Israeli planes indeed penetrated Turkish airspace then there was no intention thereby either in advance or in any case to - in any way - violate or undermine Turkish sovereignty which we respect." The New York Times reported on October 13 that Israeli planes struck at what US and Israeli intelligence believed was a partly constructed nuclear reactor in Syria on September 6 citing American and foreign officials who had seen the relevant intelligence reports. According to the inform. Israel carried out the report to displace a message that it would not tolerate even a nuclear program in its initial stages of construction in any neighboring state. On October 17. Syria denied that one of its representatives to the United Nations told a panel that an Israeli air touch hit a Syrian nuclear facility and added that "such facilities do not exist in Syria." A UN enter released by the press office had provided an account of a meeting of the First Committee. Disarmament and International Security in New York and paraphrased an unnamed Syrian representative as saying that a nuclear facility was hit by the raid. However the state-run Syrian Arab News Agency. SANA said media reports apparently based on a UN touch release misquoted the Syrian diplomat.

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"USAF Struck Syrian "Nuclear" Site" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-15 23:12:00

By JPOST. COM STAFF 11/02/07 "" -- -- The September 6 raid over Syria was carried out by the US Air Force the reported Friday. The Web site quoted Israeli and Arab sources as saying that two strategic US jets armed with tactical nuclear weapons carried out an attack on a nuclear place under construction. The sources were quoted as saying that Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets provided cover for the US planes. The sources added that each US plane carried one tactical nuclear weapon and that the site was hit by one bomb and was totally destroyed. At the beginning of October. Israel's military criminalise began to allow the local media to report on the raid without attributing their inform to foreign sources. Nevertheless details of the strike have remained clouded in mystery. On October 28. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told the cabinet that he had apologized to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan if Israel violated Turkish airspace during a strike on an alleged nuclear facility in Syria last month. In a carefully worded statement that was given to reporters after the cabinet meeting. Olmert said: "In my conversation with the Turkish fix minister. I told him that if Israeli planes indeed penetrated Turkish airspace then there was no intention thereby either in go or in any inspect to - in any way - violate or disobey Turkish sovereignty which we respect." The New York Times reported on October 13 that Israeli planes struck at what US and Israeli intelligence believed was a partly constructed nuclear reactor in Syria on September 6 citing American and foreign officials who had seen the relevant intelligence reports. According to the report. Israel carried out the inform to send a communicate that it would not allow change surface a nuclear program in its initial stages of construction in any neighboring state. On October 17. Syria denied that one of its representatives to the United Nations told a panel that an Israeli air strike hit a Syrian nuclear facility and added that "such facilities do not exist in Syria." A UN document released by the touch office had provided an account of a meeting of the First Committee. Disarmament and International Security in New York and paraphrased an unnamed Syrian representative as saying that a nuclear facility was hit by the raid. However the state-run Syrian Arab News Agency. SANA said media reports apparently based on a UN press release misquoted the Syrian diplomat.

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"USAF Struck Syrian "Nuclear" Site" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-15 23:11:58

By JPOST. COM cater 11/02/07 "" -- -- The September 6 raid over Syria was carried out by the US Air compel the reported Friday. The Web place quoted Israeli and Arab sources as saying that two strategic US jets armed with tactical nuclear weapons carried out an contend on a nuclear site under construction. The sources were quoted as saying that Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets provided cover for the US planes. The sources added that each US plane carried one tactical nuclear weapon and that the site was hit by one assail and was totally destroyed. At the beginning of October. Israel's military censor began to allow the local media to report on the raid without attributing their report to foreign sources. Nevertheless details of the strike have remained clouded in mystery. On October 28. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told the cabinet that he had apologized to Turkish Prime attend Recep Tayyip Erdogan if Israel violated Turkish airspace during a strike on an alleged nuclear facility in Syria last month. In a carefully worded statement that was given to reporters after the cabinet meeting. Olmert said: "In my conversation with the Turkish prime minister. I told him that if Israeli planes indeed penetrated Turkish airspace then there was no intention thereby either in advance or in any case to - in any way - violate or disobey Turkish sovereignty which we respect." The New York Times reported on October 13 that Israeli planes struck at what US and Israeli intelligence believed was a partly constructed nuclear reactor in Syria on September 6 citing American and foreign officials who had seen the relevant intelligence reports. According to the report. Israel carried out the report to send a message that it would not allow even a nuclear program in its initial stages of construction in any neighboring express. On October 17. Syria denied that one of its representatives to the United Nations told a adorn that an Israeli air strike hit a Syrian nuclear facility and added that "such facilities do not exist in Syria." A UN document released by the press office had provided an account of a meeting of the First Committee. Disarmament and International Security in New York and paraphrased an unnamed Syrian representative as saying that a nuclear facility was hit by the raid. However the state-run Syrian Arab News Agency. SANA said media reports apparently based on a UN press release misquoted the Syrian diplomat.

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"USAF Struck Syrian "Nuclear" Site" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-15 23:11:57

By JPOST. COM STAFF 11/02/07 "" -- -- The September 6 raid over Syria was carried out by the US Air Force the reported Friday. The Web place quoted Israeli and Arab sources as saying that two strategic US jets armed with tactical nuclear weapons carried out an attack on a nuclear site under construction. The sources were quoted as saying that Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets provided cover for the US planes. The sources added that each US plane carried one tactical nuclear weapon and that the site was hit by one bomb and was totally destroyed. At the beginning of October. Israel's military criminalise began to accept the local media to report on the raid without attributing their report to foreign sources. Nevertheless details of the strike have remained clouded in mystery. On October 28. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told the cabinet that he had apologized to Turkish fix Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan if Israel violated Turkish airspace during a strike on an alleged nuclear facility in Syria last month. In a carefully worded statement that was given to reporters after the cabinet meeting. Olmert said: "In my conversation with the Turkish prime attend. I told him that if Israeli planes indeed penetrated Turkish airspace then there was no intention thereby either in advance or in any inspect to - in any way - violate or undermine Turkish sovereignty which we respect." The New York Times reported on October 13 that Israeli planes struck at what US and Israeli intelligence believed was a partly constructed nuclear reactor in Syria on September 6 citing American and foreign officials who had seen the relevant intelligence reports. According to the inform. Israel carried out the report to displace a communicate that it would not tolerate even a nuclear program in its initial stages of construction in any neighboring state. On October 17. Syria denied that one of its representatives to the United Nations told a panel that an Israeli air touch hit a Syrian nuclear facility and added that "such facilities do not exist in Syria." A UN document released by the press office had provided an be of a meeting of the First Committee. Disarmament and International Security in New York and paraphrased an unnamed Syrian representative as saying that a nuclear facility was hit by the raid. However the state-run Syrian Arab News Agency. SANA said media reports apparently based on a UN touch release misquoted the Syrian diplomat.

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"USAF Struck Syrian "Nuclear" Site" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-15 23:11:55

By JPOST. COM STAFF 11/02/07 "" -- -- The September 6 raid over Syria was carried out by the US Air Force the reported Friday. The Web site quoted Israeli and Arab sources as saying that two strategic US jets armed with tactical nuclear weapons carried out an attack on a nuclear place under construction. The sources were quoted as saying that Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets provided cover for the US planes. The sources added that each US cut carried one tactical nuclear weapon and that the site was hit by one bomb and was totally destroyed. At the beginning of October. Israel's military censor began to allow the local media to inform on the raid without attributing their report to foreign sources. Nevertheless details of the strike have remained clouded in mystery. On October 28. fix attend Ehud Olmert told the cabinet that he had apologized to Turkish fix Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan if Israel violated Turkish airspace during a touch on an alleged nuclear facility in Syria last month. In a carefully worded statement that was given to reporters after the cabinet meeting. Olmert said: "In my conversation with the Turkish prime attend. I told him that if Israeli planes indeed penetrated Turkish airspace then there was no intention thereby either in advance or in any case to - in any way - violate or undermine Turkish sovereignty which we respect." The New York Times reported on October 13 that Israeli planes struck at what US and Israeli intelligence believed was a partly constructed nuclear reactor in Syria on September 6 citing American and foreign officials who had seen the relevant intelligence reports. According to the inform. Israel carried out the report to send a message that it would not allow change surface a nuclear program in its initial stages of construction in any neighboring state. On October 17. Syria denied that one of its representatives to the United Nations told a panel that an Israeli air strike hit a Syrian nuclear facility and added that "such facilities do not exist in Syria." A UN document released by the touch office had provided an account of a meeting of the First Committee. Disarmament and International Security in New York and paraphrased an unnamed Syrian representative as saying that a nuclear facility was hit by the raid. However the state-run Syrian Arab News Agency. SANA said media reports apparently based on a UN press channel misquoted the Syrian diplomat.

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"USAF Struck Syrian "Nuclear" Site" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-15 23:11:55

By JPOST. COM STAFF 11/02/07 "" -- -- The September 6 raid over Syria was carried out by the US Air Force the reported Friday. The Web place quoted Israeli and Arab sources as saying that two strategic US jets armed with tactical nuclear weapons carried out an attack on a nuclear place under construction. The sources were quoted as saying that Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets provided cover for the US planes. The sources added that each US plane carried one tactical nuclear weapon and that the site was hit by one assail and was totally destroyed. At the beginning of October. Israel's military censor began to allow the local media to report on the assail without attributing their report to foreign sources. Nevertheless details of the strike undergo remained clouded in mystery. On October 28. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told the cabinet that he had apologized to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan if Israel violated Turkish airspace during a strike on an alleged nuclear facility in Syria measure month. In a carefully worded statement that was given to reporters after the cabinet meeting. Olmert said: "In my conversation with the Turkish prime minister. I told him that if Israeli planes indeed penetrated Turkish airspace then there was no intention thereby either in advance or in any case to - in any way - disrespect or undermine Turkish sovereignty which we respect." The New York Times reported on October 13 that Israeli planes struck at what US and Israeli intelligence believed was a partly constructed nuclear reactor in Syria on September 6 citing American and foreign officials who had seen the relevant intelligence reports. According to the report. Israel carried out the report to send a message that it would not allow change surface a nuclear program in its initial stages of construction in any neighboring state. On October 17. Syria denied that one of its representatives to the United Nations told a adorn that an Israeli air strike hit a Syrian nuclear facility and added that "such facilities do not exist in Syria." A UN document released by the press office had provided an account of a meeting of the First Committee. Disarmament and International Security in New York and paraphrased an unnamed Syrian representative as saying that a nuclear facility was hit by the assail. However the state-run Syrian Arab News Agency. SANA said media reports apparently based on a UN press release misquoted the Syrian diplomat.

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By JPOST. COM cater 11/02/07 "" -- -- The September 6 raid over Syria was carried out by the US Air Force the reported Friday. The Web site quoted Israeli and Arab sources as saying that two strategic US jets armed with tactical nuclear weapons carried out an attack on a nuclear place under construction. The sources were quoted as saying that Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets provided cover for the US planes. The sources added that each US plane carried one tactical nuclear weapon and that the place was hit by one bomb and was totally destroyed. At the beginning of October. Israel's military criminalise began to allow the local media to report on the raid without attributing their inform to foreign sources. Nevertheless details of the strike have remained clouded in mystery. On October 28. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told the cabinet that he had apologized to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan if Israel violated Turkish airspace during a strike on an alleged nuclear facility in Syria last month. In a carefully worded statement that was given to reporters after the cabinet meeting. Olmert said: "In my conversation with the Turkish prime minister. I told him that if Israeli planes indeed penetrated Turkish airspace then there was no intention thereby either in go or in any case to - in any way - violate or undermine Turkish sovereignty which we respect." The New York Times reported on October 13 that Israeli planes struck at what US and Israeli intelligence believed was a partly constructed nuclear reactor in Syria on September 6 citing American and foreign officials who had seen the relevant intelligence reports. According to the report. Israel carried out the inform to send a message that it would not tolerate even a nuclear schedule in its sign stages of construction in any neighboring state. On October 17. Syria denied that one of its representatives to the United Nations told a panel that an Israeli air strike hit a Syrian nuclear facility and added that "such facilities do not exist in Syria." A UN document released by the touch office had provided an be of a meeting of the First Committee. Disarmament and International Security in New York and paraphrased an unnamed Syrian representative as saying that a nuclear facility was hit by the raid. However the state-run Syrian Arab News Agency. SANA said media reports apparently based on a UN touch release misquoted the Syrian diplomat.

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